Poker Question...What is the Best way to play a pair of Ace's with a weak kicker??

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You are dealt a A 4


the flop A 8 J (rainbow)


Someone bets 2$ and the next calls

How do you play this with a weak Kicker... thanks and when should you fold it??

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Dante said:
You are dealt a A 4


the flop A 8 J (rainbow)


Someone bets 2$ and the next calls

How do you play this with a weak Kicker... thanks and when should you fold it??

thanks

Not sure what the correct way it, but I play it very conservatively. Kind of play it like I got a pair of tens or something. Pay very little to see more cards to hit the home run.
 

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Royal I hear ya thats How I do it...I folded on the turn and the 2 that stayed in to win a small pot did not have an A so I thru away the winning hand by folding...
 

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frustrating when that happens but it will go the other way a lot also if one stays in.
 

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If you were leading(which you're not in this case) I would bet it fairly strong, if another ace is not there, you are likely to take the pot right there. A $2 bet doesn't say much, depends what stakes you are playing with and whats in the pot to say whether that is a strong bet or not. If its a small bet based on the pot size and game, it could be 2nd or 3rd pair testing the water to see if an ace is out there. You don't want to get in too deep with a small kicker, play is either to call if its cheap or come over the top and test the others, J or 8 pair likely folds, any A likely beats you because of your tiny kicker, so play back to your raise should mean a lay down for you.
 

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definitely depends on how many people in the pot

and how many people were dealt in

if you are playing short handed I would probably try to take the pot down right there

full table, many times I will not even stay in with A/4 if it is offsuit
 

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A small raise here (2x BB) might help to see where you are. If you're called, you may want to fold on the next hand if you can't improve it. You might get someone with a K-x or another A-x to fold with the raise, as you are representing a better hand.
 

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thanks guys ...this is great tips from all of you

one more question you are dealt A J off and a guy to the right raises the blind from 2$ to 6$ do you call the 6$ with a AJ ??? thanks


I have heard this is a marginal hand in that case?
 

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AJ is very weak in that situation. Maybe worth it if suited.


If I have a pair aces with weak kicker and I am leading, I always come out swinging with more than a minimum bet in a NL game. More often then not, nobody else has aces and you take the pot. And even if they do, you won't get raised. If you do get raised, you are beat and should get out.

If not leading, I will raise to test the strength of the first bet. More often then not, they fold unless they have AK or AQ, thinking THEY are outkicked.
 

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Dante,

there are too many factors involved to give you a definitive answer. The hands others are playing and their tightness/looseness is a far great contributor than just your hand.
 

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Dante,

There are 2 many variables in this question to have a solid answer. What happens before the flop and who am I playing? Tight, Loose, Agg, Pass players? If a tight player riases b4 the flop I am never in it with A4.

Are u limping/raising in UTG or in early postion with a A4? That not a good idea. I would not play this hand in mid postion either unless short handed table.

If I raise preflop on the button b4 the flop and i get a Ace I will fire into the pot. If i get riased I will either fold or call depending on the situation. If I call I will attempt to check it to the showdown unless I improve.

If u are willing to put you money in the pot with a4 then u must be willing to bet when a ace falls. I mean why would pay to see a flop and then fold when u flop top pair. If you are not then you should never been in the pot.
 

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AJ is very weak in that situation. Maybe worth it if suited.


If I have a pair aces with weak kicker and I am leading, I always come out swinging with more than a minimum bet in a NL game. More often then not, nobody else has aces and you take the pot. And even if they do, you won't get raised. If you do get raised, you are beat and should get out.

If not leading, I will raise to test the strength of the first bet. More often then not, they fold unless they have AK or AQ, thinking THEY are outkicked.
solid advise I had not thought that THEY could think they are outkicked with a A 8 or A 9 for example...thanks ppeter
 

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Good reason for most people never to play A weak in a NL game. This very situation will come up countless times and since you have no idea where you are at chances are you will make mistakes.

I think playing hands with bad kickers is the reason why most online games remain relatively good at the lower limits. Players have stopped playing trash as much as they used to, but playing hands with weak kickers or any two suited cards remains the one leak you can exploit. The fact that they play these hands is also the reason why you have to be aggressive after the flop, especially in limit. Make sure you gain all your value from outkicking your opponents, its a huge part of your long-term expectation.
 

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I always play weak hands like this conservatively. It's been my experience that in NL games the most money is made by betting aggressively with a few good hands rather than risking weak hands to win more pots. This also helpes me minimize loss during the weak hands.
 

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Dante said:
You are dealt a A 4


the flop A 8 J (rainbow)


Someone bets 2$ and the next calls

How do you play this with a weak Kicker... thanks and when should you fold it??

thanks

not sure on best way to play it but I can think of the best place at the Rx to discuss it!
 

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a4 is a losing hand in general. Unless you are forced in as a blind or priced in from late position you generally are better off not playing the hand because of the position you put yourself in once the flop hits an ace and you have to decide if you are outkicked.

If you are forced in or decide to play a4 and you are faced with some pressure you have to decide if the player who is betting is trying to steal the pot or is a tight player who probably has you drawing to one of your 4's.
 

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